Why are we paying for Confederate soldiers tombstones and upkeep?

I never notice this until someone pointed it out. Asking they thought the Confederacy were who the Union fought against during the Civil War? Yes, these were the guys fought in the Civil War.

Now I see what William T. Sherman was shouting “Hell To The No” about regarding the Confederacy. He always felt the surrender conditions were too lenient. Maybe he had a point.

You Won’t Believe What WE Spends on Confederate Graves. Yap, the very same guys who tried to tear up the country, kill everyone else, keep black people in bondage and killed Abe Lincoln.

Taxpayers now pay more to maintain rebel graves and monuments than those honoring Union soldiers.

The copy below is a real application, it’s no longer in use. I erased the personal information but look down at the signature slot and you will see where its asking whether the applicant if the decease is a Confederate soldier.

I was like my inquirer? What? I am sure I misread that. But I didn’t misread it. It’s been going on for years.

I found an interesting article about it. Because it’s little known but it’s been actually going on since the late 1860’s.

By Steven I. Weiss
July 19, 2013


On June 19, an array of top government officials gathered for the unveiling of a statue of Frederick Douglass, the 19th-century African American man born a slave who rose to be a vice-presidential candidate. That politicians and the federal government continue to memorialize black leaders and abolitionists of that era surprises no one, but few are aware of the other side of that coin: how much is paid to memorialize the Confederate dead.

The most visible commemoration comes every Memorial Day when the president places a wreath at the Confederate Monument in Arlington National Cemetery, the vast memorial built on an estate confiscated from Robert E. Lee. Lower down in public awareness is the fact that 10 military bases—including prominent installations like Fort Lee and Fort Bragg—are named after Confederate leaders, a fact that Jamie Malanowski highlighted and criticized in a Memorial Day New York Times op-ed that stirred a heated debate.

But even most Civil War experts don’t realize the federal government has spent more than $2 million in the past decade to produce and ship headstones honoring Confederate dead, often at the request of local Confederate heritage groups in the South, and overwhelmingly in Georgia. Going back to at least 2002, the government has provided more headstones for Confederate graves than for Union soldiers’ graves. In that time, the Department of Veterans Affairs has provided approximately 33,000 headstones for veterans of the Civil War. Sixty percent of those have been for Confederate soldiers.

I found out about this program in 2002 while researching the resurgence of political activity by so-called “neo-Confederate” groups in the early part of the last decade. Since then I’ve spoken to at least a dozen Civil War experts who had no idea it existed and were surprised to hear about it.
“When did the Southern states give up their support of these gravesites? That would seem to be the appropriate party that ought to be maintaining them.”

But they—we, our federal government—do provide headstones for Confederate dead all over the country: 18,593 of them in the last 10 years, and an average of more than 2,000 per year going back at least several years before that, according to the VA. At an average cost of around $176 to manufacture each headstone, and an average shipping cost of $75, that’s more than half a million dollars every year. (The total cost over the last 10 years is lower due to inflation: In 2003, the VA told me manufacturing was closer $100 per headstone, and shipping was around $10.) By far the lion’s share of these headstones are for graves in Southern states and for a number of years, Georgia had more than twice as many orders as any other state.

The Confederate headstones are provided by the VA’s National Cemetery Administration. Providing headstones for America’s fallen soldiers is a tradition that goes back to laws passed in 1867 and 1873 that ordered the Department of War to properly establish national cemeteries and furnish graves with headstones. In 1879, the country began furnishing headstones for veterans buried in private cemeteries, too.

It wasn’t until the 20th century, though, that Confederate veterans were included in this tradition. It started with legislation passed in 1906, at first providing headstones for a very limited number of Confederate veterans, specifically prisoners of war, “who died in Federal prisons and military hospitals in the North and who were buried near their places of confinement.” That mandate for the Department of War was expanded to all Confederate graves with a law passed in 1929.

Responsibility for headstones was transferred to the VA in the National Cemeteries Act of 1973, which declared, “The Administrator shall furnish, when requested, appropriate Government headstones or markers at the expense of the United States for the unmarked graves of” a number of categories of veterans and those who’d served the country or were buried in a national cemetery, including specifically, “Soldiers of the Union and Confederate Armies of the Civil War.”

In addition to headstones, the NCA is now responsible for the maintenance and upkeep of a total of 33 monuments and memorials that honor Confederate soldiers and causes, according to NCA Senior Historian Sara Amy Leach. The monuments were often erected by private groups like the United Daughters of the Confederacy. Looking through a list of them gives a sense of the various waves of Confederate nostalgia in America: Nine were built in the years 1910 to 1912, four were built in the 1920s and ’30s, and the most recent wave saw four more built between 2003 and 2006, with other key periods of concentration in the century and a half since the Civil War.

It’s no coincidence that many of these changes in attitude and law, and the erection of so many Confederate monuments and memorials, occurred around the turn of the 20th century. They followed the federal withdrawal from the South in 1877, a strategic retreat from the failed policies of reconstruction. “Power is recovered by the local governments, and all the gains that black people had pretty much are erased,” Boston University Professor William Keylor explained in a recent interview.

“By the end of the century, particularly after the Spanish-American War, there’s this new mode of American nationalism and patriotism and there’s this emphasis on reunion and reconciliation, and that’s good news for the whites in the South, but bad news for blacks in the South,” Keylor noted. “The Ku Klux Klan reaches its height [around 1877] and then it [starts to] decline about that point, really because it’s no longer needed, because the local governments have just effectively disenfranchised African Americans.”

As blacks lost access to their rights, the federal government turned a blind eye and embraced the South in this period, “emphasizing unity, emphasizing reconciliation” among whites, while disregarding blacks, Keylor said. Southerners sought a return to full involvement in national life, and the North was prepared to forgive, forget, and ignore.

The desire for more Confederate memorialization at the turn of the century came not only from a sense of respect for history, heritage, or states’ rights, but amid a torrent of racism and racial suppression. Celebrations of Jefferson Davis’ 100th birthday in 1908 were held without restraint. The novel, The Clansman: An Historical Romance of the Ku Klux Klan, became a runaway hit when it was published in 1905; a theatrical adaptation successfully toured the South and was even staged in Washington, D.C. (Most of us have heard of the story of that novel and play because of the screen adaptation, D.W. Griffith’s The Birth of a Nation). And Confederate heritage groups like the UDC began erecting monuments and memorials that recalled a righteous cause.

Today’s federal memorials to the Confederate dead include holdovers from this era of nostalgia. In addition to a plain headstone, Confederate headstones are available with what the VA calls “a special style,” which includes an engraving of the Southern Cross of Honor—a military decoration the Confederacy created as a sort of analogue to the U.S. Medal of Honor. The cross was revived by members of the United Daughters of the Confederacy (UDC) in 1898 to honor Confederate veterans who had displayed “loyal, honorable service to the South and given in recognition of this devotion.” The medals bore the Latin motto, “Deo Vindice,” which translates roughly as “God will be our vindicator.” The motto is not included in the Southern Cross of Honor engraved on Confederate headstones, which simply bears the outline of the cross and a laurel contained within it.

Not far from many Confederate gravestones at Arlington, however, is an actual engraving of a motto with more bite to it. “Victrix causa diis placuit sed victa Catoni,” reads an inscription on the Confederate memorial. It’s a quote from the epic poem Pharsalia, written by Lucan about the Roman Civil War, and literally translated means, “the victorious cause pleased the gods, but the conquered cause pleased Cato.” As Malanowski told me, “You have to know your Latin history to know they’re talking about the Roman Civil War, that the dictator Julius Caesar won, and that Cato was pleased with the republicans’ sacrifice.” With that background in mind the inscription is “a ‘fuck you’ to the Union. It’s that sneaky little Latin phrase essentially saying ‘we were right and you were wrong, and we’ll always be right and you’ll always be wrong.'”

That monument, funded by the UDC, was dedicated in 1914 with a speech from President Woodrow Wilson—the first Southerner elected president since 1848, and whose election marked the peak of Northern conciliation with the South. Wilson’s presidency was remarkable for his racism: He moved to resegregate the federal civil service and screened Birth of a Nation in the White House. And Wilson spoke at the dedication of the Confederate Monument, held on Jefferson Davis’s birthday.

For Malanowski, there’s a moral difference between that kind of memorial and the message inherent in providing Confederate headstones, “because you don’t want to humiliate the poor soldier” by leaving him in an unmarked grave.

“On the one hand, you don’t want to be small, you don’t want to begrudge this poor soldier a headstone, but once it begins to add up to a lot of money, it feels like another government boondoggle, and you might be able to have fun with these people placing themselves on the government tit,” Malanowski said. “When did the Southern states give up their support of these gravesites? That would seem to be the appropriate party that ought to be maintaining them.”

But the sheer size of the headstones project and the fact that a great many of the headstones are ordered by members of Confederate “heritage” groups like the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV) and the UDC complicate things.

“Every time the federal government gives them a headstone, it’s an opportunity to hold an event, and a gathering” for these groups to engage in Confederate nostalgia, Ed Sebesta, co-editor of Neo-Confederacy: A Critical Introduction. While not all, or even perhaps most, members of the SCV and UDC hold racist views, Sebesta says that at the leadership level, they’ve recently become much more open about their views of Confederate history and the values it represented. These include leaders—sometimes in official SCV and UDC publications—defending racist government policies of the past, or decrying the civil rights changes of the past 60 years.

For example, the December 2012 issue of UDC Magazine had an article defending the Black Codes. A 2003 article in the official publication of the SCV’s Educational Political Action Committee, in Sebesta’s words, “explains why segregation is justified.” A 2006 article in Southern Mercury decried the judicial and legislative milestones of the Civil Rights Movement, asserting that in the 1960s, “The cultural Marxists relentlessly hammered away at Western cultural norms using the sledge of anti-racism as a battering ram to bring down the walls of traditional Western culture.”

Just last March, Boyd Cathey, a former member of the SCV’s executive council, wrote in Confederate Veteran, “Southerners have understood perforce that the races must live and work side by side, and hopefully harmoniously, but that did not imply legal and social equality for all, either black or white.”
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I erased the personal information but look down at the signature slot and you will see where its asking the applicant if the decease is a Confederate soldier.

Sebesta pegs the new, open airing of these views by some UDC and SCV leaders to around 2002, and he says it’s relatively anomalous in the groups’ modern era. But even this is a far cry from the rhetoric a century ago. In 1914, UDC Historian General S.E.F. Rose wrote a book, Ku Klux Klan, which Sebesta notes she dedicated to “the Youth of the Southland, hoping that a perusal of its pages will inspire them with respect and admiration for the Confederate soldiers, who were the real Ku Klux Klan, and whose deeds of courage and valor, have never been surpassed, and rarely equalled, in the annals of history.”

The Forsyth, Georgia, Confederate Cemetery shows the role that the UDC and SCV play in obtaining Uncle Sam-funded headstones for rebel graves. The graveyard was in extreme disrepair when Linda Hallman, a member of the UDC and a daughter, wife, and mother of SCV members, decided to restore it in the 1990s. She gathered local SCV groups—”camps,” as the members call them—to clean the cemetery, and did research to find out who was buried there.

Years later, she had assembled a long list of names detailing who had been interred there and wanted to order headstones from the VA to mark their graves. There was one problem, though, she told me in 2003: Hallman knew who was buried in the cemetery, but she didn’t know which bodies were in which graves. Nevertheless, Hallman ordered headstones, and relied on fellow Confederate heritage activists—like Commander Jack Grubb of the Thomaston SCV camp in Southeast Georgia—to place them.

Grubb told me in 2003 that his camp alone had planted more than 1,000 headstones over at least 15 years. But the work came to halt when the VA found out Hallman didn’t actually know the identities of the bodies interred in the graves she was marking with VA-provided headstones. So Grubb contacted the office of Rep. Saxby Chambliss, now a U.S. senator, for help with Forsyth. Soon after, 30 new headstones arrived; somehow, Chambliss’s office had gotten the VA to bend its rules to aid the Thomaston SCV. (In fact, the VA seemed so eager to help out after Chambliss’s request that the camp eventually received duplicates of all of those headstones.) Chambliss’s office also helped local SCV groups obtain an old Confederate cannon as a loan from the Army. And whenever other local heritage groups had difficulty obtaining headstones from the VA, they said, they recommended Chambliss’s office as the place to call. Chambliss’s office declined to comment for this story.

Elsewhere, the federal government is developing something of a habit of stepping in when states no longer are providing the funds needed for Confederate heritage and history projects. FEMA provided $14 million to rehabilitate the Jefferson Davis Presidential Library that just reopened in Biloxi, Mississippi, according to the Los Angeles Times. The museum was largely destroyed by Hurricane Katrina, and the federal government stepped in to rebuild what the state of Mississippi had originally funded with $4 million in 1998.

For most Americans, all of these monuments, memorials, headstones, and even military base names go without much notice. After Malanowski published his column, he said, many people responded with a shrug. “A lot of people say, nobody knew who this guy was, or what it means … and maybe it has no meaning anymore, like I live near Ossining and don’t know what it means,” he said. “Maybe in 60 years, no one will be left who knows what any of this means.”

But of course, there will be at least some who will know: the Confederate heritage groups ordering these headstones, erecting these monuments, and continuing to teach a version of American history that conflicts with our basic sense of morality. This kind of sense of heritage, activism and politics is part of why some see the federal government paying for any Confederate memorials—even for headstones of unmarked graves of Confederate soldiers—as something that should be beyond the pale.

I spoke in 2003 with the historian and ethicist William Lee Miller, who died last year, after he had written an “ethical biography” of Abraham Lincoln. When I talked to Miller, he was full of bile on the topic of neo-Confederates: He’d recently attended the Richmond, Virginia, dedication of a statue of Lincoln where someone had flown a plane overhead towing a banner with the message, “Sic semper tyrannis”—

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/07/government-spending-confederate-graves/277931/

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60 Responses to Why are we paying for Confederate soldiers tombstones and upkeep?

  1. And to add more injury to insult-Confederate veterans, who served in the military before the Civil War, or with the United States Army after their Confederate service, were eligible to receive pensions from the federal government.~Well, that would be just about all of them.

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  2. In the 1950s , a federal law was enacted with the President’s signature which granted full veteran status to Confederate soldiers.

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    • Hi and thanks for your comment.
      I was aware of President Andrew Johnson granted pardon and amnesty to all Confederate soldiers in 1868, this restored to them “all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution and the laws which have been made in pursuance thereof;” however, this did not grant them veteran status, but I wasn’t aware they were given up Veteran status. I knew the Johnson pardon included paid time for those who had served in the US military before the Civil War and afterward.
      President Johnson was a Southern Sympathizer. It was expected of him.
      But I am having a hard time grasping how anyone can grant a veteran status to a soldier from the opposing side. In the Civil War, a Confederate solider wasn’t an American soldier….. so how did he come an American Vet in order for any American President to grant him American Vet status to. They lost their American citizenship through treason.

      I checked the 1950’s law and that’s not exactly what it says. To this day, no federal law has officially given former Confederate soldiers the full status of U.S. veterans.

      https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-1958-confederate-pensions/fact-check-1958-law-not-related-to-confederate-graves-or-monuments-but-veteran-pensions-idUSKBN23X28B

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  3. It is an interesting read but I am not sure what the author is railing against – marking the nation’s war dead or spending the trivial sums doing so?

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    • The ranting is against marking the dead of the enemies who were fighting to preserve slavery. Fighting to destroy the Union. The problem is that men buried in these graves are not American vets. They gave up their citizenship. They seceded from the Union December 20, 1860, and formed the Confederate States of America. They declared war on the United States on April 12, 1861 by firing on Fort Sumter, starting American Civil War.

      On March 4th, 1861, Abraham Lincoln was inaugurated as President of the United States. Two days later, the Confederacy led by Jefferson Davis called for 100,000 volunteers for its provisional army because Lincoln publicly stated he did not support slavery. On March 11th, delegates adopted the Confederate Constitution. A Constitution which afforded them a divine right to own slaves and the North had no business interfering.

      What the people in the article are ranting about is that those who do not believe in the racist ideas of the Confederacy are still dealing with its terrible legacy and do not believe it is proper for a nation saying it support democracy to be attending the graves of people who tried to destroy it. The Confederacy’s legacy is systematic racism, lynching, Jim Crow, and the inequalities we see that led to the death of George Floyd. That’s where the police actions sprung from.

      They are ranting because they view this act as a way of saying, despite these people nearly destroyed the country which would have changed the world as we know it today….they see it as saying that these acts were not so bad. Saying to African Americans, “Slavery was not so bad. So what if your tax dollars are being spent to take care of the graves of people who wanted to keep your ancestors slaves.”

      Doris Kern Goodwin’s: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln as illustrative of Lincoln’s view of the defeated Confederates. Specifically:

      -p698: Lincoln possessed “…uncommon magnanimity toward those who opposed him….”

      -p732: [Lincoln] “…hoped there would be no persecution, no bloody work, after the war was over.”

      “As for the rebel leaders, Lincoln reiterated his resolve to perpetrate no further violence: None need expect he would take any part in hanging or killing those men, even the worst of them.”

      [Lincoln said] “Enough lives have been sacrificed. We must extinguish our resentments if we expect harmony and union”

      -p732: [Secretary of War Edwin Stanton said Lincoln] “…spoke very kindly of General Lee and others of the Confederacy,” exhibiting “in marked degree the kindness and humanity of his disposition, and the tender and forgiving spirit that so eminently distinguished him.”

      Despite all these generous gestures, forgiveness, and whatnots toward the South, its generals, soldiers, and its president at the end of the war, they still killed Lincoln and implemented Jim Crow, share-cropping, segregation and creating the KKK to terrorize the African American communities.. That’s like you offering your enemy an olive leaf and their stabbing you in the chest and spiting in your dying face.

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      • Thanks. I thought it must have been something along those lines. I guess on this side of the Atlantic, it’s difficult to think of treating the war dead separately. The descendants of the victors tend to the graves of the once vanquished and vice versa. I don’t think I’ve even heard of anyone over here suggesting we ‘punish’ the dead. Remarkable how attitudes differ.

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        • Hi, it is not viewed as “punishing the dead”. Nothing can be done to the dead. No more harm can be done to the dead. It’s viewed as not accepting a wrong and evil institution as part of what America want to become.

          I’m sure in your country, the enemy’s supporters aren’t still carrying on psychological and terroristic warfare against members of your society, aren’t still terrorizing the descendants of the former slaves who are now full citizens, and still supporting systematic racist. These Confederacy are now dead, but the atrocities they inspired are not dead. Not by a long shot. Many sympathizers still view these dead men as unsung heroes. Perhaps one would have to live here for a length of time to fully understand what’s going on. It goes far deeper than a grave marker. The Confederacy are a very dangerous terrorist group. They gave birth to the KKK.

          Mark my word, if you all were dealing with these people and their constant steady streams of racism and madness….you all would quickly reconsider doing anything at all. America has dealt with 156 years of their brand of madness. Our last president was a teenie tiny foretaste of what the Confederacy was like.

          The America’s Civil War never really ended. Sure, the guns and cannons are now silent, but the war for the nation’s soul is still being waged. It’s turned into a war of drudgery social and moral issues because the loser’ followers keep trying to enforce their belief system on everyone else and will result to epic violence if they do not get their way.

          Ok, I will put it this way, if you were Jewish would you want to attend the graves of the Nazis soldiers who ran Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sobibor, and Treblinka. They weren’t happy with those six, they had to build Auschwitz II, or Birkenau.
          No, you wouldn’t like it. No one would. Many African Americans and descendants of Union Soldiers probably feel the same way about the Confederacy.
          There was very little differences between Auschwitz and an American plantation. In both, the human being ended up horribly dead.

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    • Brendan says:

      I think the article is about both issues. The intense increase of racial tension is not a time to be supporting grave markers to the original instigators. During this earlier times, times of when these giant Confederate monuments were being erected all over the place there was a very strong resistant in paying the black soldiers. The millions should have gone to living vets and their depends.
      There’s a giant statue of Lee in Richmond, Va. An offensive symbol of Confederate aspiration. I like the horse Traveller better than the man. How about cut him off the horse and let the horse stay.

      I don’t see Germany doing this for the Third Reich’s Soldiers. I heard if you are caught admiring a shrine to these men or women it not pretty. Well, these were Americas SS men and women and the slaves were treated a lot how the Nazi treated the Jews.

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      • Yes, I can see some of the argument but not conflating the rank and file cannon fodder with the politicians who sent them out.
        The German WW2 war graves are attended with the same respect as those of the fallen from the USA here. As for shrines, there are local memorials, across Europe, to those who died and were buried elsewhere.

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        • Brendan says:

          I understand what you are saying but Americans haven’t reached that point yet. It’s hard to reach a mutual point of care when the other side keep doing things to disrupt harmony.
          We’re two different nations and the situation here isn’t the same. The differences are that the graves of the people you mentioned are all foreigners. Their fellow soldiers went away to other nations. Their fellow soldiers did not remain in your country causing problems and killing people. To access these graves their admirers have get on a plane or train with a passport to get into your country. That is not the case here. All they have to do is drive down the road. True peace hasn’t been accomplished here, yet.

          I was stationed in Germany for four years and the German government was dead serious about not admiring or visiting a Nazi grave. They didn’t care what you said you want to see. Visitors aren’t allowed to stand around looking at a grave. The reason being is that they say no one is going through what the Third Reich did to their country again. Just as we have lot of Southern Sympathizers. Germany have a fair share of Nazi Sympathizers. If caught and you were an American they reported you to your military base.

          Our superior officer passed out memos of where to stay away from and those graves are such a place. Neo-Nazi hang put at them just as skinheads hang out around the Confederate grave yard.

          Like I said there are no nostalgic Nazi Memorials in Germany and the closest thing you will find to one is a grave. Americans could learn from how drastically German society has moved away from the nadir of its history and follow suit. You can’t hold on this kind of darkness and expect to move into a brighter future.

          Like for example Hitler’s gravestone is The Hitler birthplace memorial stone, a memorial to victims of the Nazis, is placed in front of Salzburger Vorstadt 15, Braunau am Inn, Upper Austria, the building where Adolf Hitler was born in 1889. It’s not about him as the memorials of the confederates are about them.

          German did the right thing. How can one explain a memorial to someone with so little respect for human life?

          https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/09/germany-has-no-nazi-memorials/597937/

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        • Nina says:

          Hello Gites, I’m not here to compare who have suffered the most, but as a daughter of the South I have seen a very ugly side of human nature. However, I am glad someone is courageous enough to talk about these things. Back in the 60’s, black and white didn’t sit down and talk about these things as they are doing now. That’s real progress. Much needed progress.

          Long ago, I accept the fact that the comfort I enjoyed all my life I didn’t earn it.

          I witnessed the pain and suffering Jim Crow and sharecropping caused. I grew up in the 1940’s and 50’s and when riding with my parents or grandparents into the fields to see what the black people were doing, I saw the hardship these people endured. As a child, I sometimes pictured myself doing this back break labor in 90 degrees weather to earn only a dime a day. [ As a six year old, I had five dollars in my drawstring pouch. I had more in my tiny pink and white purse than adult black people had to feed a family upon.] I couldn’t wrap my mind around the hardship. A family of 5 earned only fifty cents per day. Children under 15 were paid a nickle a day.

          Sharecropping was a form of shared farming in America where the owner of the land and house reaped the greatest benefits. The owner didn’t help in the farm operations. The houses the workers lived in were often a hovel or patched up shack. Most were old slave houses that had survived the war.

          (A bale is a compressed bundle of cotton weighing between 400 and 500 pounds). x .47 per lb =$235.00 a bale.

          Each adult person picked about 200 lbs per day. So, if there were about 30 people picking at 200 lbs a day= 6,000 lbs per day. (I am aware a bale is compressed cotton) -in an very good average week a planter made $14,000-15,000 per week. but yet only paid the sharecropping family $2.50 and most farm hands had to buy things (food, clothing, and other essentials) on credit at a local general store and because of inflated prices this bill was never paid up. You couldn’t not leave a plantation owing a general store debt. If you did, you should be arrested and sent to prison. If they could find you. And then your wife and children survived off the goodness of the community.

          Sending the man to prison was the way of the nice store owners. The extremely racist ones had him killed for attempting to sneak out on a debt as they called it.

          $56,000 per month was a month’s earnings and that was in a slow month. While I and my family was vacating in the Hampton, Martha’s Vineyard, Paris, London, Rome and many other places these people back home killing themselves in blistering heat to support our extravagant lifestyle and then we turn around and demanded that their descendants’ tax dollars support the upkeep of our dead.

          Not only were black people being cheated out of wages but often cheated out of life as well. I am sure you know about all the terrible things happened.

          I am not saying the German occupations were not terrible. I believe they were, but I do believe slavery was much, much worst. Your country was eventually liberated. No one liberated these people until JFK signed the Civil Rights Bill; which he was killed for. It took a lot of protesting to bring things to where they are today. The wounds are still too fresh to demand such things as this.

          In the Bible, it says that some sins committed against a person are too great for the person to forgive and the Holy Spirit must step in and do the forgiving if there’s any forgiveness to be had. I think some of these atrocities are those things that God must step in and do the forgiving. I think the pain is too great for a human to forgive. I think asking of Black people to do so is a little too much to ask of a people who have suffered so long and hard; and all of us whites should be ashamed for demanding it.

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  4. Celeste says:

    This does not surprise me at all. All matters is that the recipients are not black..They were given VA pension too. Doing this help reinforce the diabolical notion that the South was right in fighting to preserve slavery.

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  5. Jillana Maynard says:

    Wow! This show just how messed up things are. Seems to me, traitors, cutthroats, slavers, treasonous rebels,…anyone can get something except Black or Native Americans. Now, if you are Black you better not dare ask for anything.
    Woe unto us all…racism is going to kill us all.
    Those millions should have gone to faithful living vets who were true blues from start to finish, and now need help. Not to enslaving Johnny Rebs who betrayed the country and would do it again if they were alive. Their descendants does it at the first chance they get. They kept Jim Crow going for a hundred years.

    I understand all about forgiving the enemy and moving on, but this hadn’t been the case when we have systematic racist running out of our intergluteal cleft ! I have wondered how were President Wilson talking about making the world safe for Democracy while watching “Birth of A Nation”? He wasn’t even making America safe for it.

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I want to see my country rise up and be what I believe it can be. I want it to leave the old racist past behind. The only way to do that is to stop making excuses for these people and stop being soft on them. Had they won, they wouldn’t have been soft on the loser. Robert E. Lee said he wouldn’t have been soft on Grant had he won. This kind of actions helps support the White Supremacy mentality, not defer it.

    Trying to normalize the Confederacy is like saying. “Oh it wasn’t such a bad thing after all.” Never mind over half a million people died including the Union President.

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    • Jiliana, welcome and thanks for visiting. I think you fit in the majority; I believe most Americans want to see our country rise up and be what they believe it can be and want it to leave the old racist past behind. You are right. The first start is to stop doing things to support a mentality or way of life that’s counterproductive to what the American creeds are.

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    • Brendan says:

      Jillana Maynard, you made many wonderful points. It’s not like the rest of the country have not tried to work with these people. 155 years of their foolishness is more than enough time to give up the madness.
      One is not obligated to continue to try to work with people who do not want to work with you. No one is obligated to keep letting people inspired by those who ‘resting’ in those graves keep hurting people.

      Their goal is simple. They want every thing to return to the antebellum South days and they aren’t going to rest until they it happens. They do not care that black people do not want to be and will not be their slaves any more. That’s totally irrelevant. It’s like saying the victims’ feeling do not matter.

      Those who support those graves are help keeping systematic racism alive by saying to everyone these people and their credence should be remembered. Why should they be remembered when all they bought to the world was pain and suffering?

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  6. Nenya Gmaya says:

    This is the kind of info I like about your blog. You write the good and the bad. Specialty historical blogs only write the good things about a place or people. You write about all of it.

    I guess if we forgave Mexico and Cuba for helping the South in the Civil War, we can forgive the Confederacy. But isn’t this is kind of an insult to African Americans who these people were fighting to keep enslaved. Keep them in subhuman conditions.

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    • Yes Nenya, is an insult to the Union soldiers who gave their lives to save the Union and to the African Americans whom the Confederacy were fighting to keep enslaved. I just don’t see how anyone thought this was a good idea. I am not against honoring the dead. I am against what the Confederacy stood for and how things would have turned out had these men won. The nation is still bogged down in the quagmire of their ways of thinking. It’s called racism.

      ———————————–Gettysburg Address—————————-
      Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

      Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

      But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

      Abraham Lincoln
      November 19, 1863

      Lincoln was not talking about the Confederacy when he said these famous words. Why should he had been when these people had tried to assassinate him?

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      • Martindale says:

        Yeah, and we all see where being nice to them got the country. We are still dealing with their crazy, racist BS and it’s nearing 200 years. Tidings like the annoying blockade used in the Senate against anything useful or constructive.

        Frankly, I say we needed to have let them go after the Civil War. Helped all the African Americans out of the South who wanted to leave and left them with their brand of antebellum fantasy. I say this because they have been a constant constriction to all universal good things ever since. What good have they been to the Union since?

        Then again, we probably would have lost World 1 and 2. Everyone know Southerners are the best fighters.

        I am glad they did not have the ammo the North had or they would have won.

        But I still say we could have let them go and become their own nation after the Civil War. But then again, they would have gone off, licked their wounds, rebuilt bigger than before and came back and fought another Civil War.

        This is all Europe’s fault for sending these people over to the Americans.

        You know, maybe the poster named David Lim is right. Maybe they are crazy. I am serious. No sane person can keep up the same madness for darn near two hundred years.

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      • Nina says:

        This battle determined the future freedom that the free world enjoys.

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  7. David Lim says:

    I must say this is a long write-up. Since the Civil War, element of that history traces to the present with many more battles fought after, and still ongoing simply because people bare different color skin to the other. It seems the white supremacy complex is very much ingrained, and widely prevalent in your society today. A supremacist is a psychological case in over value self. It can intensify, and firmly transforms into a make-belief to a God given right. It is an ugly obsession that is born solely of separation. Ironically, the ideal of democracy finds its meaning in this duality by thriving on its factions.

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    • Well, it’s long because people are not getting just how serious this issue.

      Imagine or dare to look at how the United States would have turned out had the South won this war. It is something other nations do not ever think about, but really needs to. How they blessedly missed facing a superpower that would have shown no mercy. Had the South won, it would have affected the entire world. Being that in 1861 the US was already on its way to becoming a world superpower. It would have been a tyrant nation not a democracy. That’s why Lincoln said at Gettysburg “that a government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth” That’s what the Confederacy was fighting for. bring about absolute power in to the hands of a selected few. Mainly planters.

      Actually, it’s scary to imagine all the terrible things which happened in the 20th and 21sth century with a bunch of slave holders leading the country leading the world; imagine how much worst World War I and World War II would have been had a powerful despot been the most powerful nation on earth. Imagine if Hitler and the Axis Powers had found alliance within the US instead of the Allies. No one would have safe from them.

      There would be no refugee status offered to anyone outside of Europe, no matter what was going on in their part of the world.

      It’s no so much psychological. It’s a conscious, willful state of existence that the person has been conditioned from birth to believe they are superior to other for nothing more than the color of their skin.

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      • David Lim says:

        It’s a disease that fester. Just as you were revealing the adversity of color “white”, I was watching video a clip of the past on Muhammad Ali appearing on a British talk show, Parkinson. Ali really laid down the facts with his straight talk delivering a concise message on the prevalent subject of white supremacy in the US. It was really funny, but serious.

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        • White being an achromatic element of nature is just as anything else, there is nothing adverse about it anymore than what people make of any color. I agreed that racism festers like something otherworldly, but it is not a disease. A disease is something which one can not help that happens to them. One has no control over. Racism is willful actions, not a disease. People willingly, fully choose to be racist. It’s a conscious set of mind, fully awareness of one’s actions. They make a selective choice to feel as they do and to act as they do. Beyond one’s teen years, one can’t even blame what they were taught as a child as an excuse.

          If anyone’s having a hard time remembering “right from wrong” just do not do anything to anyone one doesn’t want done unto them.

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    • John Martindale says:

      I can see some of you are not Americans or you understand why this is such a long post. Why it is so important that people understand the motivation behind their wanting the tombstones. So much that’s effecting the entire modern world is riding on how much leeway or power is given the present-day Confederacy. If they gained absolute power which they are thriving for, the whole world will be singing “Dixie”. You would either sing it or die, and I kid you not. I would be careful of coming to their defense. You really do not know what you are dealing with.

      Forget Hollywood’s romanticizing or fantasizing vestige of them.. Real Southerners are not hicks, dumb, country bumpkins, nor stupid. What we saw 1-6-21 were the fools the silver tongued others pushed up to do their dirty work. A native born southerner wouldn’t have dared showed themselves like that. They are very intelligent and charming people. They can behave as smooth and elegant as an epic character from the greatest love story. Most native borns are very attractive people. City slickers often go down there believing them to be dumb as Hollywood portrayed them and soon find out they are no match for them. They can’t handle them because they can be mean as a rattlesnake.

      It’s not the grave markers they want. It’s the I’m going to “make-you-do-what-I-want-done” that they want. Many are smart enough to still speak, read, and write Latin. How’s that for being dumb? That famous long drawl out way of talking is done when they are politely telling you they are bored with you. Go away. They don’t speak that way when alone. 😉

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      • Martin, you are right. I don’t know where the assumption come from that they are dumb. I guess it’s because they do the same dumb thing over and over but they are not dumb. That’s what Toni Morrison was saying in “Song of Solomon” with the character Milk Man Dead.

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      • David Lim says:

        Hi John. I can see your point. There are elements in government still strong in keeping the Confederacy burning for political means, and advantage. In my view, white supremacy is a form of extremism, or fanaticism when pushed up a notch the behaviour becomes murderous like equating to radical suicide bomber.

        I can’t see how any constructive change can come about with just political rhetoric alone. Talk must be accompanied by action. Demand for full democracy does back fire as there is no fee lunches. For example, social media allows a platform for free speech, but doesn’t mean to facilitate abuse with insults. If that is allowed, then human feelings don’t matter?

        In Asia, our democracies have redlines which we don’t cross in show of respecting rights of other cultures and races. If this line is violated, it means indefinite detention without trial. The law is clear. If we are to be recognised as civilised, then we must be law abiding.

        The controversy that envelopes China now is on Xinjiang human rights violation. Over there, evident of race supremacy movement would have its members thrown into the correctional camp for deradicalisation. But, that would be a violation of human rights.

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      • Nina says:

        😄😄😂Only a Southerner would know these things! But you’re right! Had the South won things would be vastly different. And no mercy would’ve been shown.

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    • Martindale says:

      Had they won the war and ran the country as they run plantations they would nuke the Hades out of everything and everyone who peeved them off or disobeyed them.

      Oh, they would have returned the favor during the two Word Wars alright. Remember they asked English and France for help against the union. And both countries said no. This is your own Civil War.

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    • Celeste says:

      They aren’t separated from the rest of America. We all wish they were.

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  8. Wm T. Sherman says:

    We all saw 1-6-21 that they (The Sympathizers of The Confederacy or Heirs of the Confederacy) have not forgotten the Battle of Fredericksburg nor the Battle of Richmond where Confederacy were aiming to plant the Confederate flag on Capitol Hill, but failed. Well, this time they succeeded. Only a fool believes they have forgotten.

    It’s so utterly sad so many didn’t even recognize the grave significance in bringing a Confederate flag in Congress like that. This symbolizes ‘victor’.

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    • William, perhaps only those familiar with history realized the blatancy of carrying that flag on Capitol Hill.

      The Richmond–Petersburg campaign was a series of battles around Petersburg, Virginia, fought from June 15, 1864, to April 2, 1865, during the American Civil War.

      Siege of Petersburg.
      Date June 15, 1864 – April 2, 1865 (9 months, 2 weeks and 2 days)
      Location Petersburg, Virginia
      Result Union victory

      This is what pretty much forced Lee’s surrender to Grant.

      When the Union forces took over Richmond the capital of the Confederacy they planted the American flag. As you see that happened pushing 200 years ago. But still some people remembered it and acted accordingly.

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  9. Nina D. says:

    As a white Southern, I can tell you all that all Southerners do not want the old days to return. They were not very good to the average white person in the antebellum south. Only the planters with large plantations and hundreds of slaves were powerful much like a European Duke or Lord because that’s who they really were. Only a small percentage of people lived like that. Those like myself do not agree with the USA taking care of tombs of people who tried to kill its citizens and did kill hundreds of thousands of them. That’s their organizational descendants’ job.

    All Southerners do not think like those who wants to keep the Old South alive. But the world doesn’t know about us because of the big mouthed, crazy ones screaming belligerent things about Jew death rays and such nonsense are who makes the media. Those of us still fighting racism and risking our lives aren’t heard from.

    It was Southerners who helped the slaves escaped to the North. That was how the underground Railroad went so deep into the South. However, if you were caught you were killed in not so kind nor humane manner.

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    • Thank you Nina for visiting and giving us a different insight of the deep South. Yes, I’d heard about the Southerners who helped with the Underground Railroad and the risk they took. You are right, historians agree, that’s how it worked so far into the deep South. It was awful brave of them. I commence their courage.

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    • Nina, according to statistic and census record a large percentage of whites owned an enslaved person. I know it is commonly said that only a small percentage of Southerners owned enslaved people.
      Closely related to the idea that the vast majority of Confederate soldiers were men of modest means rather than large plantation owners is usually used to reinforce the contention that the South wouldn’t have gone to war to protect slavery but this would have been new to Jefferson Davis.
      . The 1860 census shows that in the states that would soon secede from the Union, an average of more than 32 percent of white families owned enslaved people. Some states had far more slave owners (46 percent of families in South Carolina, 49 percent in Mississippi) while some had far less (20 percent of families in Arkansas). At the time, however, Southerners had no problem claiming the protection of slavery as the cause of their break with the Union anymore than Lincoln had a problem saying he intended to end it. It’s just that in later years it’s became all about keeping the Union together and not slavery.

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      • Nina says:

        Thanks for the correction. I looked it up and you are right. I guess I was assuming by the number of African-Americans involved in share cropping. It “Was” a lesser grade of slavery. In the 1950’s most whites did not own a farm to hire out to sharecroppers. I saw where it said that 40% of the slave owners were white women. I didn’t know that. I was taught genteel women didn’t participate in the buying and selling of slaves, I learned Maratha Washington had 84 slaves when she married George Washington.

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        • You are welcome.
          Nina, thanks for giving an insight into a life most of us have never seen.
          Yes, it is a difficult topic to discuss but a much needed one. I feel those who have lived through it and or are still living through it endures a much tougher time than I’m enduring writing it.

          Acknowledging there is a problem is the only way to move forward.

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  10. C. East says:

    People fail to realize that worship of the Confederates and their Confederacy has evolved into a religion. It is no longer an ideology and not been an ideology for a very long time. White Skin is the god [Mainly Britannia white skin. Not all white skin is accepted. ] Racist is the preamble and Hate is the passion.

    Once a way of life pass over into the religious domain it is not something to be taken lightly. Religion is one of the hardest dogmas to reason with. A dogma is a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority of the sect, group or people as incontrovertibly true. That’s why the Confederacy passed over into the religious domain three centuries ago. They never tried to stop it from passing into this threshold.

    It’s s dangerous as any other belief that glories hatred.

    An idea can be quenched by clear, and sound reasoning. A religion can not. That why the Confederacy continues to live on. It’s a religion as much as any other. It’s no difference from:

    Al-Qa’ida

    Al-Qa’ida

    Al-Qa’ida

    Al-Shabaab

    Boko Haram

    Hamas’

    It simply seen difference because our society worships whiteness,

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    • C., thanks for the comment. That’s would explain the inability to reason with those with this belief system. I guess, I never thought of it as a religion.

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      • C. East says:

        Yes A, there’s a spiritual component to all actions. Whether they are Good or Bad. Which I’m sure is something, according to your writings, I’m sure you already knows.

        Well, that’s the part we are dealing with as to why racism and the Confederacy is so hard to defeat. The spiritual part means something diabolical is behind these actions and those who sanctify them aren’t bothering to look beyond their own nose at what is really rising from Hell.

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        • Thanks again for your comment,
          Yes, I will admit I already made myself familiar with the fact that actions have farther reaching consequences than on the earthly plans. Many religions believe certain actions attracts certain types of spirits. Much like certain substance attracts cetacean types of insects.

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  11. kevinashton says:

    A most interesting and disturbing article showing how parts of the south still feel about the civil war. We in the UK have had 4 civil wars since 1066, but we don’t honour the “valiant dead” roundheads or royalists. America will never heal until people stop honouring the Confederacy in any shape or form. If the groups supporting the Confederacy wish to buy headstones and maintain the graveyards let them with private funds not government money.

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    • Wow! Four Civil Wars and have gotten over them and we, Americans can’t get over one.
      You are right, we need to stop honoring these people who are still doing everything within their power to destroy the country.
      I agree with you: If the groups supporting the Confederacy wish to buy headstones and maintain the graveyards let them with private funds not government money.

      I know of the Battle of Hasting in 1066 was between William the Conqueror and Harold,, but it is not listed as a Civil War in world study, and I also know of the English Civil War lead by Oliver Cromwell, but there were three others?? I have heard of the Roundhead but don’t know much about them for in America…uh, that an insulting name to call someone.

      Battle of Naseby. Sir Thomas Fairfax led his troops to victory over King Charles I at the Battle of Naseby on 14 June 1645. His triumph won the First English Civil War (1642-46) for Parliament and ensured that monarchs would never again be supreme in British politics.

      Cromwell’s resounding victory at Worcester (September 3, 1651) and Charles II’s subsequent flight to France not only gave Cromwell control over England but also effectively ended the wars of—and the wars in—the three kingdoms.

      During this period some of the Americans colonies were taking advance of the divided attention and conducting heinous witch trials.

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